''My fellow Clintonites, it's time for Obama''

A excellent piece by the respected Tripp Jones is cofounder of MassINC.

FOR SUPPORTERS of Senator Hillary Clinton, like me, it's time to get behind her rival, Senator Barack Obama.

The exposure of the Rev. Jeremiah Wright Jr.'s outrageous and divisive remarks has injected the raw emotions associated with race relations into the presidential campaign. This new dynamic raises the stakes in an already high-stakes race. Our responsibility as progressive-minded voters is to show Americans a positive alternative to the toxic politics of race. Rallying around Obama now increases our chances of doing just that. Obama has run a positive and inspiring campaign, and has attracted a majority of pledged delegates. It is hard to envision a scenario in which Democratic superdelegates override the will of millions of primary voters and caucus participants. Obama will be the nominee.

Unfortunately, the controversy surrounding Wright presents Republicans with a polarizing wedge issue to exploit with general election voters. This approach not only risks an Obama loss in November - denying us a fresh, capable leader - but it would set the country back in its racial reconciliation process. Americain 2008 should be better than that.

As we have done at many key junctures in our nation's history, Democrats and other progressive-minded voters must lead the way. The current firestorm is an opportunity to move beyond the anger and resentment that have characterized our nation's dialogue on race. By throwing our enthusiastic support behind Obama now, voters of all political stripes can echo the candidate's refrain, "Not this time."

There have been many moments in our history when we failed to heed that call. Twenty years ago, as a staffer of Governor Michael Dukakis's presidential campaign, I observed the use of the now-famous "Willie Horton" ad to undermine a good man's character, fan the flames of racial division and distract voters from the most important issues of the time.

Not this time. We have an opportunity to show that we have learned from our mistakes. The first step, which Obama took in his recent speech on race, was to condemn Wright's offensive rhetoric.

The second step is in our hands: Strengthen Obama as the Democratic nominee by uniting behind him now. Amplify his postpartisan message to American voters. Families in Pennsylvania, like those across America, are feeling insecure about their jobs, healthcare, their children's education, and the safety of the nation. They want leaders to be bold and practical in addressing our most serious challenges, and to work across party lines to achieve results. Obama promises to do that.

Those of us who have supported Clinton and continue to believe that she would be an excellent president can play an important part in moving our nation forward by supporting Obama. We can spread the word that he offers the right leadership for these challenging times.

Our support would send a powerful message that the United States is headed in a new direction - on race relations, certainly, but perhaps most importantly, on what it means to be an American.

Tripp Jones is cofounder of MassINC.
http://www.boston.com/bostonglobe/editorial_opinion/oped/articles/2008/04/05/my_fellow_clintonites_its_time_for_obama/

A beautiful piece.



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Washington Woman
theocracywatch.org
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by kevin22262 on Sat Apr 05, 2008 at 11:30:10 AM EST

After Bush, we deserve better... (2.00 / 4)

Much better than corporate Obama..


Universal healthcare IS a core Democratic value
Comprehensively cover 100%, not only the healthiest 80%
by architek on Sat Apr 05, 2008 at 11:33:31 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Obama's voodoo healthcare... read this.. (2.00 / 7)

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/04/04/opinio n/04krugman.html


Universal healthcare IS a core Democratic value
Comprehensively cover 100%, not only the healthiest 80%
by architek on Sat Apr 05, 2008 at 11:34:53 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Obama's voodoo healthcare... read this.. (none / 0)

Honestly, I'm not sure which plan I like better, Obama's or Clinton's. Right now, I have a decent job that gives me health insurance. I have two dependents (my parents), and they have needs. If a day comes when I have to drop my health insurance to support any of their needs, it sure as hell would piss me off if I'm forced to have coverage. Mind you, I have never received care without paying for it, even when I didn't have insurance.


_____________
changiness
by lizardbox on Sat Apr 05, 2008 at 12:32:54 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Shame on you for not disclaiming up front... (2.00 / 6)

that you are an Obama supporter (actually an Obamaphile) and did not pen this diary.

What a fraud.  You must be learning something from your candidate afterall.


by Shazone on Sat Apr 05, 2008 at 11:31:27 AM EST

This diary should be deleted... (2.00 / 5)

It's misleading and condescending. And really, this isn't helping Obamaphiles here. In fact, this just makes me want to work HARDER to prove them wrong. :-)


No way, no how, no McCain! :-)
by atdleft on Sat Apr 05, 2008 at 11:36:10 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: This diary should be deleted... (none / 0)

I've yet to see you condone a pro-Clinton diary of this type... or are those okay?


Hooray for John McCain!
by ragekage on Sat Apr 05, 2008 at 12:01:30 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Shame on you for not disclaiming up front... (none / 0)

Shaz, I gotta tell you, I pray for you. Really, I do. This hate you seem to have coursing through your system is not a natural thing. I feel sorry for you, and how it must be eating you up. It's leading you to go so far as to dehumanize Obama supporters- a key component to hate, because when you see them as being inhuman, it's easier to do.

You'll get through it. We love you, anyway.


Hooray for John McCain!
by ragekage on Sat Apr 05, 2008 at 11:41:38 AM EST
[ Parent ]

I pray for you, too. To not see everything... (2.00 / 1)

in such hateful terms when hate has nothing to do with what you're reading.

I am actually a very upbeat, loving and friendly person...so don't try to "kill this messenger" and change the subject just because you don't like it when someone speaks the truth.


by Shazone on Sat Apr 05, 2008 at 11:51:47 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: I pray for you, too. To not see everything... (none / 0)

Then why do you denigrate Obama supporters and try to make us less human? I'd be happy to speak the truth with you, and certainly without changing the subject, but every time I hear you speak it's always the same way with you.

It makes me sad to see you so. It makes me sad when I'm treated so. And I feel sorry the hatred has infected you so deeply you refuse to recognize that.


Hooray for John McCain!
by ragekage on Sat Apr 05, 2008 at 12:00:50 PM EST
[ Parent ]

PTSS...I posted nice discussion... (2.00 / 2)

pieces in late January and into February WHEN I WAS UNDECIDED, and got screamed at, called stupid, idiot, f*cking lazy - you name it - NOT FROM HILLARY SUPPORTERS but from Obamaphiles.  And I only wanted to talk!!!!!

I guess what goes around comes around.  But I am clearly against Obama now that I have done my own research into him - I see him as a phony and a fraud - I will NEVER vote for him - AND the reason I am so hardened in my opinion is because I love my country and am frantic at what this person may be allowed to do if he is elected.

That's it in a nutshell.

Nice talking to you.


by Shazone on Sat Apr 05, 2008 at 12:11:43 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: PTSS...I posted nice discussion... (none / 0)

I see. You are of the ilk that figures you can excuse your own poor behavior by pointing towards other people's bad behaviors. That's very sad.

Again, you persist in dehumanizing. It's very telling. I think if you truly wanted to talk, you would not have been dealt with so harshly- not that it makes it right. But if your attitude now is any indication, you're acting precisely as you're deriding Obama supporters for acting. It's a perfect act of hipocracy.

If you have done this research that shows him to be a dangerous and phony fraud, I'd love you to share it, instead of referencing it rhetorically. Because then it just seems like you're, as you describe yourself, frantic- and nothing more.

You're in my thoughts and prayers, hon. I mean this wholeheartedly, I don't want to come off sounding disingenuous. My baby daughter Brooklyn and I are here for ya. Godbless.


Hooray for John McCain!
by ragekage on Sat Apr 05, 2008 at 12:20:15 PM EST
[ Parent ]

You obviously don't know me well... (none / 0)

enough to call me "hon".


by Shazone on Sat Apr 05, 2008 at 12:24:47 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: You obviously don't know me well... (2.00 / 1)

Nah, it's just a southern thing. It's a term of endearment. I'm in kind-of a sappy mood, I got the kid zonked out on my chest here, and I truly feel for you. I wish I could take the pain away. I'm sure if the roles were reversed in our situation, you'd feel the same way, which is why I'm having this conversation with you instead of giving up and going away. If I thought you really wouldn't care, I'd have been long gone by now.

The thing is, you're a human being, and your feelings are valid. I may disagree with the need to feel that way, but you feel it- there's nothing you can do about that. All I can do is tell you I truly do care, that I'm not some sort of mindless automoton that you seem to paint Obama supporters as, and that you don't need to be so spiteful.

Ooop, I spoke to soon. Looks like I'll have to go make a bottle of formula. Seems like the baby's on her own schedule, but then, what else is new?


Hooray for John McCain!
by ragekage on Sat Apr 05, 2008 at 12:29:42 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Since you're from Brooklyn, read... (none / 0)

and comment on this:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/kristen-br eitweiser/911-where-barack-obama-an_b_94 850.html


by Shazone on Sat Apr 05, 2008 at 12:29:17 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Since you're from Brooklyn, read... (none / 0)

I'm not from Brooklyn, I just named my daughter Brooklyn. I thought it sounded pretty.


Hooray for John McCain!
by ragekage on Sat Apr 05, 2008 at 12:30:20 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Since you're from Brooklyn, read... (none / 0)

Seriously? That's an awesome name. I love it when parents give their kids unique names.


Even John McCain lusts after teh engels.
by sricki on Sat Apr 05, 2008 at 01:15:07 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Since you're from Brooklyn, read... (none / 0)

Thanks! Turns out it's all popular, too, I just thought it sounded cool


Hooray for John McCain!
by ragekage on Sat Apr 05, 2008 at 01:22:57 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Since you're from Brooklyn, read... (none / 0)

That, and we discussed and debunked this yesterday in Alegre's forum. She even agreed; go check it out.


Hooray for John McCain!
by ragekage on Sat Apr 05, 2008 at 12:31:17 PM EST
[ Parent ]

I just ready every comment... (none / 0)

...and other than seeing your comments about some tangent related to the diary, I don't see that you debunked this at all.  Or, Alegre agreeing that you debunked it.

Obama said no one predicted 911...and that is simply not true.

In addition, I might add, why didn't he answer about how he would deal with any terrorist 3 AM alarm - call his staff, talk to X and then talk to Y, bring people together and ID the possible solutions and then make a (fucking) decision?

Oh, sorry.  He doesn't like making committments that he can't go back and waffle on later.


by Shazone on Sat Apr 05, 2008 at 01:31:35 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: PTSS...I posted nice discussion... (none / 0)

You don;t come off as disingenuous, just condescending.


No Way. No How. No McCain.
by Denny Crane on Sat Apr 05, 2008 at 01:25:54 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Shame on you for not disclaiming up front... (none / 0)

It starts "an excellent piece by" - that was your clue.


by interestedbystander on Sat Apr 05, 2008 at 12:47:35 PM EST
[ Parent ]

The problem is, Obama is DISHONEST.. (2.00 / 6)

He's also IN THE POCKET OF THE BIG CORPORATIONS..

The American people deserve far better.. He is the GOP's wet dream, in this political climate.

He has voted 'present' and 'no' on too much important legislation. His healthcare plan is dysfunctional..


Universal healthcare IS a core Democratic value
Comprehensively cover 100%, not only the healthiest 80%
by architek on Sat Apr 05, 2008 at 11:32:30 AM EST

Re: The problem is, Obama is DISHONEST.. (none / 0)

That's a lie and you know it. His campaign cash comes from multiple small donors. There was a post about it yesterday.


by BeekerDynasty on Sat Apr 05, 2008 at 11:35:33 AM EST
[ Parent ]

So when did Wall Street big banks... (2.00 / 3)

Oil companies, and nuclear power providers become "multiple small donors"? Sorry, but behind all the "people-powered" slogans is the reality of Obama's corporate ties. Jeez, and you people bash Hillary as a "corporatist"... Just try comparing her economic plan some time with Obama's and tell me who's been behaving more "corporatist" lately.


No way, no how, no McCain! :-)
by atdleft on Sat Apr 05, 2008 at 11:39:04 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: So when did Wall Street big banks... (none / 0)

Gee, you oughtta be able to prove this. Head on over to FEC.gov and bring us back some evidence, specifically, looking for PAC contributions.


Hooray for John McCain!
by ragekage on Sat Apr 05, 2008 at 11:45:18 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: So when did Wall Street big banks... (none / 0)

Ahh. Once you're challenged to find evidence, you tactfully ignore it and move on to the next unsupported argument. Great strategy. I commend you, sir.


Hooray for John McCain!
by ragekage on Sat Apr 05, 2008 at 12:21:15 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: The problem is, Obama is DISHONEST.. (none / 0)

please be mindful of the next person who tries to sell you a bridge


by pan230oh on Sat Apr 05, 2008 at 11:42:06 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: The problem is, Obama is DISHONEST.. (none / 0)

Instead of snide comments, I'd love to see some evidence. Since you make these claims with such forthrightness, you oughtta be able to find some.


Hooray for John McCain!
by ragekage on Sat Apr 05, 2008 at 11:46:06 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: The problem is, Obama is DISHONEST.. (none / 0)

No response, eh? Sad.


Hooray for John McCain!
by ragekage on Sat Apr 05, 2008 at 12:20:34 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: The problem is, Obama is DISHONEST.. (1.00 / 1)

I see architek you are still having problems getting past the denial stage of your grieving process. Now we all know the Repugs are rooting for Hillary with Rush openly telling his followers to vote for her, so you trying to say otherwise shows me how deep in denial you really are. I know this is a hard process dealing with your loss, but if you would just be honest with yourself you would move through the process much faster.


by lion king on Sat Apr 05, 2008 at 11:42:29 AM EST
[ Parent ]

No, the problem is YOU ARE DISHONEST (none / 0)

**Excuse  me?  Your claim that Obama is in the pocket of the big corporations is laughable.  Why do you think he's doing so well financially?  PEOPLE are supporting him.  PEOPLE like you and me.  Hillary?  Not so much.  Her fat cats and Corporate Cash have pretty much maxed out.  Keep donating to her though.  She needs to get out of the hole.  Wouldn't want to see her and Bill spending any of their fortune to pay all those unpaid campaign debts.


If the choice is between hope and fear, always choose hope. BC
by greylox on Sat Apr 05, 2008 at 02:15:32 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: ''My fellow Clintonites, it's time for Obama'' (2.00 / 3)

What a cheap shot..

If he were a true Hillary supporter, he could wait one more month or so.


by eumc on Sat Apr 05, 2008 at 11:36:36 AM EST

It's time for a muzzle. (2.00 / 4)

Your Kumbaya's ring hollow my friend.

"My fellow MYDD'ers, it's time for a muzzle."- EasyE, 2008


by easyE on Sat Apr 05, 2008 at 11:38:44 AM EST

Re: ''My fellow Clintonites, it's time for Obama'' (2.00 / 4)

The good people of ten states and Puerto Rico want their say this time around. There is NOTHING to be gained from Clinton giving up at this point. Heck, even some MSM newspapers and pundits have even said so.


by pan230oh on Sat Apr 05, 2008 at 11:44:44 AM EST

Re: ''My fellow Clintonites, it's time for Obama'' (2.00 / 5)

The argument of the article is just bizarre.

We're supposed to rally behind Obama precisely because of his exposure due to the Wright business?

I mean, it's his very weakness, in effect, that requires us to drop our support of an alternative candidate who does NOT possess that weakness?

Talk about Bizarro World logic. Is this guy even to be believed?


by frankly0 on Sat Apr 05, 2008 at 11:55:02 AM EST

Re: ''My fellow Clintonites, it's time for Obama'' (2.00 / 4)

So, basically, what Tripp says, is rally behind Obama because of race relations (aka to prove that we're not racist). No thanks.


Hillary supporter for Barack Obama in 2008
by zcflint05 on Sat Apr 05, 2008 at 12:01:12 PM EST

WTF? I don't get it. (2.00 / 4)

I see this diary as suggesting we should forget about the rules, the votes, and the democratic process, and back Obama because he gave a "cover your ass" speech about his relationship to Rev. Wright.

That Clinton should drop out because Obama's stooges in the media, from Daily Kos to MSNBC, falsely suggest that said cover your ass speech somehow made the planets align differently and showed Obama as the next King John F. Kennedy of Camelot Court?

No, thanks.

Obama wasn't the duly nominated Democratic candidate before his cover your ass speech, and he certainly isn't now.  

We'll see what happens at the convention.  If he emerges as the nominee, I'll vote for him, but I won't donate a second of time or a penny of money to his campaign, regardless of how his shills spin his cover your ass speech.  


My name is Barney Gumble, and I'm an alcoholic. Lisa: This is a girl scouts meeting. Barney: Is it, or is it you girls can't admit that you have a problem?
by PJ Jefferson on Sat Apr 05, 2008 at 12:04:15 PM EST

Re: ''My fellow Clintonites, it's time for Obama'' (2.00 / 3)

As an Obama supporter, I really don't see the logic in this article. I support Obama because I believe he is the best suited to push forward the progressive legislation this country so desperately needs, not because his being elected will heal the scars of racism this country is still suffering from.

No doubt, an Obama presidency would serve as a great symbol for how far this country has come, but honestly so would a Clinton presidency.

Clinton supporters should get behind Obama if/when he is the candidate because they believe in the ideas and values shared by both candidates, but as long as their candidate is still in the race I don't feel they're under any obligation to get behind Obama now.

No doubt I wish they would rally behind Obama now, but that's because I'm biased toward one candidate over the other.


Voting for John McCain is not God bless America.
by SFValues on Sat Apr 05, 2008 at 12:17:03 PM EST

Re: ''My fellow Clintonites, it's time for Obama'' (2.00 / 2)

good, i'm glad kathym has reached her 2-diary limit for the day.  let's get some pro hillary diaries on the list pronto!


by Andiclimber on Sat Apr 05, 2008 at 12:22:54 PM EST

Re: ''My fellow Clintonites, it's time for Obama'' (none / 0)

Unfortunately,

Barack Obama will get creamed in November if he is the Dem nominee.
Trust me, the Rethugs will not be as gentle on hime as the Dems have been.  
He's never won a seriously contested election
and now he's on the verge on being the Dem nominee?!?!?

It will be McGovern/Mondale all over again.
I am not prepared to let that happen.
The stakes are too high.


by johnnygunn on Sat Apr 05, 2008 at 12:23:28 PM EST

Re: ''My fellow Clintonites, it's time for Obama'' (2.00 / 1)

But who has Clinton beat?

And how can she be the stronger candidate if she can't even beat Obama after coming into this contest with every advantage on her side?

I'm not trying to tear down your candidate, I'm honestly asking the rationale behind your claim.


Voting for John McCain is not God bless America.
by SFValues on Sat Apr 05, 2008 at 12:27:10 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: ''My fellow Clintonites, it's time for Obama'' (2.00 / 1)

If she runs the country the way she has run her campaign we're in for a long 4 years!


by LoneStarLefty on Sat Apr 05, 2008 at 12:36:34 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: ''My fellow Clintonites, it's time for Obama'' (none / 0)

Clinton did beat Rick Lazio in a tough race in 2000.  Granted that Lazio was not Giuliani, but he was a heck of a lot more than Keyes - not to mention that he was a popular congressman and a New Yorker - none of which applied to Keyes.  If anything, Hillary Clinton was seen as the carpetbagger running against a native New Yorker; yet, Clinton still won handily.   And the Rethugs spent mucho moolah, too.

So, yes, Hillary Clinton has won a contested election - whereas Obama has not.


by johnnygunn on Sat Apr 05, 2008 at 12:50:46 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: ''My fellow Clintonites, it's time for Obama'' (2.00 / 1)

As far as the New York race goes, one of the most famous and beloved Democrats (Clinton) beat a Republican in a heavily Democratic leaning state. I will concede that Lazio is no Allen Keyes, but he wasn't exactly a giant standing in her way.

But as far as Obama's ability to win a contested election, just look at what he has accomplished in this primary. Again, Clinton had all the advantages and went through 2 campaigns prior, and yet she's losing to him.


Voting for John McCain is not God bless America.
by SFValues on Sat Apr 05, 2008 at 12:59:26 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: ''My fellow Clintonites, it's time for Obama'' (none / 0)

Primaries is primaries.
Elections is elections.
by johnnygunn on Sat Apr 05, 2008 at 03:37:59 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Actually, their Senate races were similar (none / 0)

Both started out facing GOP powerhouses -- guys who were the best their respective state GOPs had to offer.

Rudy Giuliani needs no introduction.  He was set to squish Nita Lowey in a romp, then Hillary and her fundraising prowess showed up and it became a real fight.  Then Rudy's prostate cancer was diagnosed and he bailed with most of the remaining campaign money (which would form the core of his 2008 campaign warchest), leaving Rick Lazio to have to start from scratch.  The local and national GOP made titanic efforts, and they did bring in a ton of dough ($90 million overall was spent by Rudy, Hillary and Lazio, the most ever for a Senate race up to that time), but he wound up losing 43% to Hillary's 55%.

In Illinois, the Republicans' golden boy was Jack Ryan.  The charismatic, handsome former husband of TV star Jeri Ryan (you know her as "Seven of Nine" on ST:NG and the hot teacher on FOX's Boston Public) was sent off to do battle against Barack Obama, who was a state senator and had nearly twenty years of experience as a local Chicago activist under his belt.

Jack Ryan was the absolute best the Illinois GOP had to offer -- and Obama was beating him by twenty-two-point margins in the polls.  Ryan was the best they had, and Obama was squashing him like an anvil on a grape.

Then, mercifully for the Illinois GOP, the records of his divorce with Jeri came out.  This allowed them to usher him off the stage and replace him, not with any of the local talent such as Judy Barr-Topinka, but with a sacrifical lamb from out of state, Alan Keyes.  The local GOP knew that they didn't have anyone that could stop Obama anyway, and that a loss to Obama would likely kill or at least stall a promising political career for one of their local rising pols.  Rather than see that, they essentially did what the NYS pols did in 2000 with Lazio:  They threw the race.


by Phoenix Woman on Sat Apr 05, 2008 at 03:04:03 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Obama inserted race in to this primary (2.00 / 2)

he did it right after he lost NH.

This article is nonsense.


DON'T COUNT THE VOTES, DON'T COUNT THE VOTES.... Obama and the Obamaettes... spring 2008
by TeresaINPennsylvania on Sat Apr 05, 2008 at 12:39:10 PM EST

Re: ''My fellow Clintonites, it's time for Obama'' (2.00 / 1)

I don't think so.....

it's time that Obamabots get behind HILLARY.....


by nikkid on Sat Apr 05, 2008 at 12:43:16 PM EST

Re: ''My fellow Clintonites, it's time for Obama'' (2.00 / 1)

Um, I'm an Obama supporter and I think this is a dumb piece. The reason to support Obama is because you respect his policies and leadership. I don't think Clinton supporters would ask me to fall in line behind her just because she's a woman and no one believes her presidency would somehow magically erase sexism in america. PS: I'm pretty convinced there are non-democratic voices injecting nonsense into these blogs. Obamaphile? No self respecting democrat would use that.
by grasshopper on Sat Apr 05, 2008 at 12:50:15 PM EST

True dat (none / 0)

Though I've heard equal amounts of dumbness from both sides during this campaign.  I've had to talk Obama and Clinton people off of ledges (i.e. "I'm backing McCain!  Waaaah!") many times in the last few months.


by Phoenix Woman on Sat Apr 05, 2008 at 03:06:36 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Wow, that's some doublespeak (2.00 / 1)

"Unfortunately, the controversy surrounding Wright presents Republicans with a polarizing wedge issue to exploit with general election voters. This approach not only risks an Obama loss in November - denying us a fresh, capable leader - but it would set the country back in its racial reconciliation process. Americain 2008 should be better than that."

So we should all unite behind the weaker candidate so that we can win in November?

How about all uniting around the candidate without these severe liabilities?


Reasonable people can disagree.
by mnicholson0220 on Sat Apr 05, 2008 at 12:50:45 PM EST

Have you compared favorablity ratings? (none / 0)

Hillary's are at Newt Gingrich-like lows.

Meanwhile, she shouldn't be dissing activist preachers, especially considering the favor that Wright and other black preachers did her and Bill in September 1998, and considering that her ties to Doug Coe are coming up again.


by Phoenix Woman on Sat Apr 05, 2008 at 03:08:58 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: ''My fellow Clintonites, it's time for Obama'' (none / 0)

Not gonna happen.


by grego101 on Sat Apr 05, 2008 at 02:10:28 PM EST

Wright helped save LBJ's life (none / 0)

He was a Marine Corpsman at Bethesda when President Johnson had a heart in late 1964.  He received a letter of commendation from LBJ's doctor for his excellent care of the president.

But of course the McCain and John Hagee/Rod Parsley fans on this site will say that it was all a plot.  (Hey, if you guys want Wright to be Obama's Willie Horton, you get to see McCain wear the Hagee/Parsley burning-tire necklace.)

Hillary really shouldn't be trashing the guy who came with his fellow ministers to the pre-Starr-Report prayer breakfast to help serve as their spiritual armor against the upcoming sleaze dump.  

And Hillary or her surrogates REALLY shouldn't be doing this, what with her connections to Doug Coe and the Fellowship/"Family" about to become big news again with the Jeff Sharlet book coming out next month.  Barbara Ehrenreich and Sourcewatech and Talk to Action have all done piece within the last month on this, in advance of the book's publication.

Joshua Green of the Atlantic Monthly wrote about Hillary and Coe back in November of 2006:

   "When Clinton first came to Washington in 1993, one of her first steps was to join a Bible study group. For the next eight years, she regularly met with a Christian `cell` whose members included Susan Baker, wife of Bush consigliere James Baker; Joanne Kemp, wife of conservative icon Jack Kemp; Eileen Bakke, wife of Dennis Bakke, a leader in the anti-union Christian management movement; and Grace Nelson, the wife of Senator Bill Nelson, a conservative Florida Democrat.

   "Clinton's prayer group was part of the Fellowship (or "the Family"), a network of sex-segregated cells of political, business, and military leaders dedicated to `spiritual war` on behalf of Christ, many of them recruited at the Fellowship's only public event, the annual National Prayer Breakfast. (Aside from the breakfast, the group has `made a fetish of being invisible,' former Republican Senator William Armstrong has said.) The Fellowship believes that the elite win power by the will of God, who uses them for his purposes. Its mission is to help the powerful understand their role in God's plan.

   "Clinton declined our requests for an interview about her faith, but in Living History, she describes her first encounter with Fellowship leader Doug Coe at a 1993 lunch with her prayer cell at the Cedars, the Fellowship's majestic estate on the Potomac. Coe, she writes, `is a unique presence in Washington: a genuinely loving spiritual mentor and guide to anyone, regardless of party or faith, who wants to deepen his or her relationship with God.'"

More can be found here.


by Phoenix Woman on Sat Apr 05, 2008 at 02:36:42 PM EST

So you're saying that we should vote (none / 0)

for Obama because of Wright? And your comments show that you are no Clintonite. Nice try.


by georgiapeach on Sat Apr 05, 2008 at 07:43:37 PM EST

Re: ''My fellow Clintonites, it's time for Obama'' (none / 0)

I have spent the last 8 years fighting the hatred coming from the Bush supporters that demanded we all fall in line and support "Their President". If I have to I will spend the next 8 tears fighting the hatred coming from the Obama supporters demanding we all fall in line and support "Their President". So KathyM since you are one of his most hateful supporter may I respond to your requset with all due respect "Not In This Lifetime". Is that clear enough for you?


"Do you know the difference between a War Story and a Fairy Tale?"
by RedstateLib on Sat Apr 05, 2008 at 09:42:50 PM EST


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